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Ron Scapp, in dialogue about critical pedagogy, with bell hooks:

Sometimes it’s important to remind students that joy can be present along with hard work. Not every moment in the classroom will necessarily be one that brings you immediate pleasure, but that doesn’t preclude the possibility of joy. Nor does it deny the reality that learning can be painful. And sometimes it’s necessary to remind students and colleagues that pain and painful situations don’t necessarily translate into harm. We make that very fundamental mistake all the time. Not all pain is harm, and not all pleasure is good.